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		<title>By: Looking back at the year: 2012 in review &#171; In Caelo et in Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Looking back at the year: 2012 in review &#171; In Caelo et in Terra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hertogenbosch. - Pope Benedict XVI appoints 36 Synod Fathers. - Cardinal Baldelli passes away. - Questions arise about the German &#8216;Church tax&#8217;. - The first progress report on how the Church deals with abuse claims is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hertogenbosch. &#8211; Pope Benedict XVI appoints 36 Synod Fathers. &#8211; Cardinal Baldelli passes away. &#8211; Questions arise about the German &#8216;Church tax&#8217;. &#8211; The first progress report on how the Church deals with abuse claims is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Looking back at the year: 2012 in review &#171; In Caelo et in Terra</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hertogenbosch. - Pope Benedict XVI appoints 36 Synod Fathers. - Cardinal Baldelli passes away. - Questions arise about the German &#8216;Church tax&#8217;. - The first progress report on how the Church deals with abuse claims is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hertogenbosch. &#8211; Pope Benedict XVI appoints 36 Synod Fathers. &#8211; Cardinal Baldelli passes away. &#8211; Questions arise about the German &#8216;Church tax&#8217;. &#8211; The first progress report on how the Church deals with abuse claims is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stats for September 2012 &#171; In Caelo et in Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stats for September 2012 &#171; In Caelo et in Terra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 07:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Baldelli passes away &amp; Words from beyond &#8211; Cardinal Martini&#8217;s last interview 40 8: Kirchensteuer &#8211; sacrament for sale? 39 9: Bishop Liesen on EWTN 35 10: The case of Jesus&#8217; wife, and why it matters (or not) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Baldelli passes away &amp; Words from beyond &#8211; Cardinal Martini&#8217;s last interview 40 8: Kirchensteuer &#8211; sacrament for sale? 39 9: Bishop Liesen on EWTN 35 10: The case of Jesus&#8217; wife, and why it matters (or not) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Inge (Ars Vivendi)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Inge (Ars Vivendi)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch, that has a lot of typos. :X]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, that has a lot of typos. :X</p>
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		<title>By: Inge (Ars Vivendi)</title>
		<link>http://incaelo.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/kirchensteuer-sacrament-for-sale/#comment-12981</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ironic part is, that the Kirchensteuer is a relic dating back to the era in which Germany was &#039;secularized&#039; (State confiscating Church possesions). The idea of separation between Church and State was behind this. To compensate, Church Tax is distributed over churches. As a result the German Church is quite rich and uses the money to support other dioceses for example in Scandinavia.

This is not the case in the Netherlands, as you point out. Catholic parishes own the buildings they use for worship. Also, there is no formal separation between Church in State in the Dutch Constitution. There is a volutary donation system called &#039;Kerkbalans&#039;, but people hardly donate. Result: downsizing and closing of churches, cuts in Church finances.

Both situations are not ideal for different reasons. I read a lot of inflammatory comments, mostly by Americans to who the whole &#039;secularization&#039; idea is foreign. But it&#039;s hardly helpful to yell at the German bishops, the Catholic Church or even German authorities. It doesn&#039;t help. Both systems are flawed, but what is a viable alternative, given the fact most European Catholics simply refuse to donate money to their own church?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ironic part is, that the Kirchensteuer is a relic dating back to the era in which Germany was &#8216;secularized&#8217; (State confiscating Church possesions). The idea of separation between Church and State was behind this. To compensate, Church Tax is distributed over churches. As a result the German Church is quite rich and uses the money to support other dioceses for example in Scandinavia.</p>
<p>This is not the case in the Netherlands, as you point out. Catholic parishes own the buildings they use for worship. Also, there is no formal separation between Church in State in the Dutch Constitution. There is a volutary donation system called &#8216;Kerkbalans&#8217;, but people hardly donate. Result: downsizing and closing of churches, cuts in Church finances.</p>
<p>Both situations are not ideal for different reasons. I read a lot of inflammatory comments, mostly by Americans to who the whole &#8216;secularization&#8217; idea is foreign. But it&#8217;s hardly helpful to yell at the German bishops, the Catholic Church or even German authorities. It doesn&#8217;t help. Both systems are flawed, but what is a viable alternative, given the fact most European Catholics simply refuse to donate money to their own church?</p>
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